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we appreciate all you do. thanks for joining us. >> former first lady betty ford has died. she served as first lady from 1974 to 1977, passed away in palm springs, california. ford has battled with cancer and substance abuse and inspired millions to seek treatment and co-founded the betty ford addiction center and clinic in california. first lady nancy reagan said, quote, i was deeply saddened this afternoon when i heard of betty ford's death. she has been an inspiration to so many about breast cancer and her wonderful work at the betty ford center. and president obama said, quote, today, we take comfort in the knowledge that her husband, gerald ford, are together once
more. mishle and i send our thoughts and prayers to their children. former first lady betty ford has died. a family spokesman said her friends friends and relatives are traveling to palm springs to make funeral arrangements and she will be flown to grand rapids, michigan, for burial, next to her late husband, gerald ford. now back to "on the record," already in progress. casey anthony kill caylee and threw her remains in a nearby swamp. the defense said caylee drowned in the family's pool. i was an accident, not murder. during the next hour we take you through the twists and turns from the first 911 call to the long list of lies and accusations to the testimony that convinced the jury. her case has gripped the nation.
tuesday 25-year-old casey anthony learned her fate. >> will the defendant rise with counsel. madame clerk, you may publish the verdicts. state of florida versus casey marie anthony. as to the charge of first degree murder, verdict as to count one, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. so say we all. orlando, orange county, florida this 5th day of july, 2011. the charge of aggravated child abuse, ver as to count two, we the jury -- verdict as to count two we the jury find the defendant not guilty. this 5th day of july 2011, signed foreperson.
as to the charge of aggravated manslaughter of a child. verdict as to count three, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. so say we all, dated at orlando, orange county, florida this 5th day of july 2010 left end -- 2011, signed foreperson. as to providing false information to a law enforcement officer, we the jury find the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment. so say we all dated orlando orange county florida 5th day of july 2011 signed foreperson many as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement officer count five, we find the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment. so say we all dated orlando orange county florida, 5th day of july, 2011. as to the charge of providing
false information to a law enforcement officer verdict as to count six, we the jury find the defendant -- sorry we the jury find the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment. so say we all. this 5th day of july 2011. signed foreperson. as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement officer verdict as to count seven, we the jury find the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer charged if the dim. so say we all dated orlando, orange county florida, 5th day of july 2011. signed foreperson. >> madame clerk you may poll the jury. >> juror -- juror number one were these your true and
correct verdicts? >> yes. >> juror number 2 were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> juror 3 were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> juror 4 were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> juror 5 were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> juror 6 were these your true and correct verdicts? >> juror 7 were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. juror 8, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> juror 9, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> juror 10, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> juror 11, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. juror 12, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> will defendant and counsel approach not all the counsel, l
casey marie anthony a jury of peers have found you not guilty murder in the first degree. at this time i wail judge you to be not guilty. -- i wail judge you to be not guilty. as to count two the crime of aggravated child abuse, a jury of your peers having found you to be not guilt the court will adjudge you to be not guilty of the crime contained in count two. as to count three, aggravated manslaughter of a child, a jury of your peers having found you not guilty. i will adjudge you to be not guilty of that count. as to counts four, five, six,
and seven, providing false information to a law enforcement officer i will adjudge you to be guilty of those counts and order that you be fingerprinted here in open court at this time. >> greta: extreme range of emotions across the courtroom. one side elation. defense attorney baez and casey give each other a huge hug. the entire defense team exchange embraces smiling from ear to ear. feet away, the prosecution remains stone-faced. linda drane-burdick and jeff ashton frozen in their chairs in disbelief filled with disappointment. george and cindy got up immediately and walked out of the courtroom. in this trial and all trials the responsibility and pressure lies with the jury. their perspective is unique and binding. during this period of time we were able to contact friends or family or co-workers, were
you totally isolated? >> we could use our cell phones and speak to people in a community area were there was always a deputy. we logged all our calls, someone was always listening. >> greta: i have an enormous amount of respect for anyone who serves on a jury. there has been disagreement or criticism of the jury's verdict. they didn't sit through the trial, nonetheless criticism exists. what do you say to those who criticize this jury's verdict? >> they can criticize it, i understand some people might have more of an emotional involvement. that's understandable that they would criticize. that they are emotionally involved it affects them personally. fortunately, they picked people who had no bias. which is equates to a fair trial which everyone in this country deserves. i had no bias. i was not emotionally
involved. i know it upsets people. those are the rights we are granted in this country. like her or hate her, she deserves a fair trial. if there was anything stronger we could have used to convict, we would have. if it is not there, we have integrity and did the best we could with what we had. >> greta: was there one thing that was persuasive that the state failed to meet its burden? >> they didn't prove the cause of death. if you don't know what the crime was, you can punish someone for that crime. that makes sense to me. i'm sorry go ahead. >> greta: i'm sorry i didn't mean to cut you off. when you began to deliberate was that the first discussion among the jurors as you began talking the case? >> absolutely. it was never discussed among us until we were given the okay to deliberate with all the deputies out of the
room until then nothing had been discussed which is why a lot of us lost sleep because we had no way to everything we were trying to process. everything we saw everyday, it want easy. >> greta: i often hear jurors have several rounds of votes, sometimes they only have one. what happened when the door closed and you were in the room, take me through the deliberation process. >> after the foreperson was selected, we wanted to gauge if people were on one side or another. we started there. there were two people initially who thought definitely, first degree. at the same time, they did admit they felt it. and they just felt like it wasn't substantiated. they wanted to convict, but they admitted there is not enough evidence to prove that even though i strongly believe it. it started there and then it half and half. manslaughter and not guilty that was based slowly on the evidence we had to -- based
solely on the evidence we had to use. it was very split initially. >> greta: you went through methodically started with murder one and then go through the other charges and take votes down the indictment, is that how you did it? >> correct. we read through to see exactly what each entailed to see the language, to see certain things involved her being actually committing a crime at the time or her acts causing it. different language for each charge. we went through to make sure everyone understood it. we discussed if it qualified or could fit into that category. we went through each charge until we could either prove something or not. >> greta: did people concerned with the tax she didn't take the stand? -- with the fact that she didn't take the stand? >> it wasn't brought up. we were told initially, we
can't hold that against her. we were very aware of what the laws were. judge perry made them very clear. he's a very upstanding man. it made us as a jury a little bit more upstanding knowing who we were serving. pretty much represented. he's a very good, upstanding man. we wanted to do the best we could according to what instructions he gave us. >> greta: were the prosecutors likeable? >> they were. excellent at their jobs. great at questioning witnesses. strong arguments, strong circumstantial evidence and they presented it very well. we just needed something solid to say it couldn't have been an accident. there's still that question. but they did a fantastic job, all three of them. >> greta: as an outsider, special day for, which is what i was. i didn't have -- spectator, which is what i was.
as an outsider the behavior of casey between june 16th, and mid july, partying, tattoos, was appalling to me. was there any discussion about that in the jury room? >> of course, of course. the behavior was appalling. it was hard to understand. but bad behavior again, it doesn't show a murder was committed. it is hard to understand how someone -- i'm sorry go ahead. >> greta: i understand that. we discussed that on the show that the prosecution had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt murder. and the cause of death was murder not an accident. and her horrible behavior that doesn't supply that answer, as bad as it was. they still needed to have someone say definitively, this is mur. >> correct. -- this is murder. >> correct.
>> that's the way our system works. >> greta: i found it interesting that the jury seized upon that. i wondered if i was being hypertechnical about the law? >> no. a big part of the prosecution's case was chloroform. i was easy, in my opinion, to discredit and give it no value and no weight. once you got rid of that -- i'm not saying there wasn't some sort of -- nobody knows what happened to caylee. i don't think chloroform was involved. i think they tried to make a strong case. but the chloroform seemedesque enough to move it aside. once that is gone, you don't have much to work with. >> greta: what do you think was the purpose of the chloroform? >> chloroform, i think maybe they had a feeling there was some sort of, you know, like trying to keep caylee quiet or something to that effect. they found the chloroform
searches. so they went with that. they didn't have much to use. there's nothing else they could find maybe. they were trying to substantiate that and go in that direction. it wasn't strong enough to say okay there was chloroform involved. >> greta: there is no doubt about it. this was a huge win for the defense team. the defense opened their case with allegations of sexual abuse, they couldn't prove and didn't prove. throughout the trial, baez got scolded by judge perry. there were multiple sidebars interrupting the evidence. in the end, the defense manage today to poke enough holes in the prosecution's theory that the jury agreed with the defense. that the prosecution did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that casey murdered her own child. the defense team spoke after the verdict was an nunned. >> while we are happy for casey. there are no-winners in this case.
caylee has passed on, far, far too soon. and what my driving force has been for the last three years has been always to make sure that there has been justice for caylee and casey. because casey did not murder caylee. it is that simple. and today, our system of justice has not dishonored her memory by a false conviction. >> greta: for the prosecution a huge disappointment. jeff, i've won and loss cases. it is tough to lose a case. even when you should lose a case, isn't it? >> it is difficult to put that much time and energy into something, it is tough. >> greta: i don't think people realize it is an around the clock work.
and when you are driving home you are thinking about it. working midnight, weekends. they never see the build-up. it is extraordinarily hard work. i think it is noble work. noble for prosecutors and defense attorneys. >> thank you. >> greta: even though you had some disappointment you ought to be proud. >> we are very proud. >> greta: casey anthony didn't testify. were you ready for her testimony? did you expect she might? >> we did. after the opening statement we expected her to, as the trial wore on, we became more and more convinced she wouldn't. linda was prepared to examine her effectively. -- prepared to cross-examine her effectively. she never got the chant. >> greta: did you ever have
any interaction with casey? >> no that would never be permitted in florida. >> greta: did she appear at the depositions or not? >> no. >> greta: you never passed her a glass of water or had any interaction with her at all? >> no, she attempted to oddly enough engage linda in conversation one day during the trial. linda appropriately said, i can't talk to you, because it wouldn't be appropriate. that was the only -- casey, i don'ty likes they very much. so i wasn't expecting a chitchat with her. >> greta: why do you think that? >> i don't know. probably because i was the one early in the case who made a particular argument about why the death penalty might be appropriate. i'm sure just generally prosecuting her was not her favorite thing for know do. >> greta: whenever i tried a case, i was doing the
postmortem in my mind after. is there any sort of strategy you which you ememployed or not? >> no, in this case, i think -- i think we presented every shred of evidence that we could in the best manner we could. we got all the evidence in that we should have gotten in. ultimately, if that wasn't enough for the jury then we sleep well knowing a good job. i think linda, frank and the entire office and the investigators t did a fabulous job. if it want -- if it want good enough for the jury, so be it. >> greta: casey was found not guilty. what about the court of public opinion? griff jenkins is in orlando. he will tell you what their verdict is. >> george and cindy walked out of that courtroom right after their daughter was found not guilty of murder. what do they think of the jury's decision? george and cindy anthony's
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as to the charge of first degree murder verdict as to count one we the jury find the defendant not guilty. as to the charge of aggravated child abuse, verdict as to count two, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. so say we all. as to the charge of aggravated manslaughter of a child, verdict as to count three, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. so say we all.
>> greta: not guilty. casey anthony found not guilty of murder. but found guilty of lying to law enforcement. that is in court. the real court. what about the court of public opinion? what is the verdict there? our cameras were outside the courtroom after the jury's decision was announced. >> reporter: inside the court the defense celebrated a long hard fought victory. outside the crowd which had grown over 36 days became a san of outrage. >> we know about the humidity and how -- how wet it is, if she drowned, how do you put duct tape on wet hair? >> reporter: were you surprised by the verdict today? >> i'm in shock. i've been in there five times. i want to know what trial the jurors were watching. [ talking over each other ] >> it is horrible.
no justice served yet. if this was new york she would have got hung, i'm from new york. >> i don't understand is where is the justice for caylee? her mother is the primary caregiver of the child. the child is gone for thirty days they found her innocent of any type of neglect at all. she was the last one with the child. i'm not saying she should have gotten murder one or two. but that was ignored. >> reporter: do you think prosecutors did their job? >> i do. both sides presented well. i don't understand why the jury didn't pick up on the fact that the mother is free of all responsibility of the child. >> reporter: you don't think prosecutors did their job? >> no, sir. >> i think that when you compare this to the o.j. simpson trial, and the amount of coverage you had versus this one, people get a chance to see that when someone that you think is guilty, the verdict is not guilty, you get to see why that happens and
what the jury and the courts and the lawyers are doing to make sure that the law is being followed and that people are getting fair trials. >> reporter: any thoughts on the verdict today? >> not happy. [ talking over each other ] [ unintelligible ] >> you have to give them the credit. [ talking over each other ] [ bleep ] [ talking over each other ]
>> greta: coming up, after the verdict george and cindy walked out of the courtroom expressionless. what was going on inside their heads? how do they feel about the verdict? their lawyer is here. >> the yelling, screaming, scolding, the lies. we've wrapped up the best of the casey anthony trial for you, that is coming up later in the show. [ male announcer ] do you know how you will react when someone changes lanes without warning?
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throwing caylee's remains in the woods near their home. their lawyer on the record. what do you advise your clients at this point? they are obviously not the defendants. but they've gone through a horrible situation, with their child and grandchild. how do you advise them to get their lives back in order? >> certainly, there's lots of decisions that need to be made. neither one or any can go back to their mundane lives of the day-to-day grind that we all go through many cindy can't go back to being a nurse. george can't go back into security or law enforcement. this case has destroyed their lives. as you can imagine just starting out they have to start out all over again and figure out where they are gonna go. >> greta: are they willing to have her come back home or are things too raw now? >> those are things i can't talk about it is attorney/client
privilege. >> greta: one of the things -- there's been a lot of talk about the fact that as soon as the verdict was read that george and cindy anthony left the courtroom. should we read anything into that? any reason they left the courtroom abruptly? >> you are right. if you look back a couple seconds earlier, the court administrator who was very kind to my client and myself. you can see her leaning over and the deputies saying now would be a good time to leave. for security purposes, certainly we are going to take the advice of law enforcement and takeoff when they tell us to. >> greta: no one should read they had any reaction to the verdict. by the way, how do they feel about this verdict?
>> unfortunately, as their attorney, i can't say anything what i personally think many anything i may say, may come back as a representation of what they think. while my wife may know what i think, nobody else will know what i think. that's the nature of my representation. >> greta: in this business of high profile trials, deals come flying in. have they been offered book deals, publicity, things, as their lawyer are you fielding stuff like that? >> unfortunately, i can't discuss those things either. we take the attorney/client privilege very seriously. my goal is to ensure that they have some way to rebuild their lives however we can achieve that. >> greta: coming up, accusations of family sexual abuse. accusations of lies, lies and more lies. the trial was riveting, that
much is true. next you will hear from lee anthony, george anthony and the woman who claims to be george's mistress, krystal holloway many >> where does the family go from here? a look inside a family -- family put under a microscope wham shows up does not always look good. what relationship will casey now have with -- now have with her parents and brother? stay tuned. [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more amecans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... f greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say.
>> this is a fox news alert from new york. former first lady betty ford, widow of former president gerald ford has died on friday at the eisenhower medical center in southern california. her family is now on the way to palm springs to plan her funeral service. ford, whose triumph over drug and alcohol addiction became a beacon of hope for addicts and founded the betty ford clinic.
president bush said laura and i are deeply saddened by the passing of betty ford. because of her leadership, many lives were saved. she will be buried in grand rapid, michigan. she was 93. for your latest headlines, go to foxnews.com. for your latest headlines log on to foxnews.com. >> greta: casey anthony's murder trial gripped the nation. people tuned in over six weeks for this here are some highlights of the trial. >> bombshell after bombshell this afternoon here in downtown orlando. first degree murder trial getting underway nearly three years after 2-year-old caylee anthony disappeared.
>> ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you have been selected and sworn as the jury to try the case of the state of florida versus casey marie anthony. >> it is time to tell the story of a little girl named caylee. >> everyone wants to know what happened. the answer is actually relatively simple. he never was missing. -- she never was missing. caylee anthony died june 16th, 2008 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool. >> this family must keep itself s quiet. it all began -- keep its, secrets quiet. it began when her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately. and it escalated and it escalated. >> on the stand george anthony accused baez of badgering him.
>> i'm trying to do the best i can. some things i might not remember exactly. i think that happens to anyone. when you get into this thing with you and i sir, you are going off in a way to get me more upset and i don't think that is fair. >> i was in orlando covering the trial. everyday crowds running to get tickets. people are seen pushing and yelling at each other, to get seats inside the courtroom. >> what is your emergency? >> i'm calling i found out my granddaughter has been missing for a month. her mother finally admitted she has been missing. send someone here now. she just admitted to me she has been trying to find her, herself there is something wrong. i found my daughter's car today. it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car. >> none of us knew what to expect from lee the brother. what we saw this morning was almost a repetition of what we
heard yesterday from her friend amy that is, the brother quoting the defendant casey, as saying maybe i>,a am@ unfit mother. >> you asked your sister why won you allow us to see caylee, what do you recall her saying? what did you tell detective edward that she said? >> i told detective edward she said, i'm paraphrasing, because maybe i'm a spiteful bleep. >> today the court heard for the first time the tape of the detectives tearing down casey anthony's story one day after she finally reported her little girl was missing. >> we are trying to prove your story every thing you have told us we've shown you have lied. >> the suspected child killer broke down in court today. prosecutors showed graphic
crime scene photos of her 2-year-old daughter's corpse. the pictures showed the toddler's skull with duct tape and strands of hair. images so disturbing to those in the room the judge ordered people to leave if they didn't think they would be able to handle it. >> greta: this story is getting more bizarre every minute. casey is being accused of stealing that drowning story from a fellow inmate. >> name of the witness is april whalen. apparently, her child died in a swimming pool and was found by the child's grandfather. who immediately administered cpr and called 911. miss whalen was in an adjacent cell to miss anthony for a brief period of time. >> cindy anthony just testified she did searches for chloroform on the internet. >> do you recall in march of 2008, you doing any types of searches for any items that
might include chloroform? >> yes. >> did you, input the word, into the google search engineii, how to make chloroform? >> i don't recall putting in how to make chloroform many but i did google search chloroform. we talked about it in my deposition. >> i don't want to be here. i don't want my sister to be here, my parents to be here this is emotionally draining and very difficult. >> based upon the reports that the court has reviewed the court will find that the defendant is competent to continue to proceed. >> sir, i never would do anything like that to my daughter. >> my question is you would never admit to it, would you sir? >> sir, i would never do anything to harm my daughter in that way. >> did you develop a
relationship with mr. anthony? >> yes, sir i did. >> was this an intimate relationship? >> yes. >> i never had a romantic affair with krystal holloway, river cruz or whatever name she wanted to give you or the world. >> i did not search for neck-breaking. but i do recall there was a pop-up that was showing a youtube regarding a skateboarder that was skateboarding on rails, i believe -- >> i believe mrs. anthony testified during her searches there was a pop-up. >> this is not the result of a pop-up. but is the result of a human being specifically entering neck and breaking into the google search box and pressing search. >> why would your work schedule show that you were working? >> could have been an error if my supervisor filled out my time card in my absence if it
came on a day our time cars were turned in. >> was there ever a time that you worked with cindy anthony that she would be allowed to be at home and yet the records would reflect that she was tallly at work and logged in? >> no. >> -- would that be illegal to do? >> yes. >> those were casey's choices. the life that she wanted or the life that she had. as hard as it is for anyone to imagine she had to choose between two -- sacrificing two things. the first was her dreams and the life she wanted. the second, was her child. we submit to you the evidence in this case shows that the choice she made was her child.
>> here we are at the end of our journey, i have to tell you i probably think you have more questions than you have answers. and if you recall, at opening statements the final thing i told you at the end of the day when everything is said and done, the one question will never be answered, the key question in this case, will never be answered, it can never be proven and that is, how did caylee die? >> the evidence in this case proves beyond any reasonable doubt that casey anthony decided on june 16th, that something had to be sacrificed. that the conflicts between the life that she wanted and the
life that was thrust upon her was simply irreconcilable. and something had to give. she chose to sacrifice her child. to live the life that she wanted. she took her child, she took her life, and she put her in the trunk and forgot about her. after a couple of days, she couldn't forget any more. she disposed of her body in a swamp. . these are the facts that you have heard. -- there's the facts that prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, that casey anthony is guilty of murder in the first degree. >> and she lied. and she didn't act the way she needs to. she made some stupid decisions. let's make her pay with her life. that's what this case is
about. an accident that is snowballed out of control. it is out of control. it is out of control right now. and it has been out of control since the moment this trial began. since the moment this case began. it is out of control. and it is true, casey made some bad decisions. but it -- and started this, but it doesn't have to be continued. it doesn't have to be presented this way. this case does not have to come out this way. the truth stops here. the truth stars here. the nonsense stops right -- starts here. the nonsense stops right now. it should have stopped the moment you all raised your hands and chose to be jurors in this case and took that oath. every single thing, all of that nonsense should have stopped. >> greta: straight ahead, can you imagine what life is like for the anthonys? or what dinner will be like at
>> greta: the jury unanimously agreed the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that casey murdered caylee. but that doesn't mean life for casey or her family guess back to normal. she is now one of the world's most famous defendants. let's not forget her defense team pointed fingers at her own family. >> accusations of murder, lies, sex and molestation. life will never be the same
for any member of the anthony family. >> we're not talking about fantasy forensics any more. we're talking about cold, hard evidence. evidence that points to one person, one person only, he could get up here and lie all he wants and dance around the truth, but the truth is the truth. and depending on who is asking the question whether it is this laughing guy right here or ourselves -- >> objection! >> reporter: her own attorney calls them all liars. >> i told you how this family lies. that has been clear throughout this case. throughout this case. >> reporter: we now know her legal fate. little is known about what the future holds for casey with so many broken relationships now uncovered. >> sir, i never would do anything like that to my daughter. >> me question is, would you never admit to it, -- my
question is, you would never admit to it, would you sir? >> i would never do anything like that to my daughter. >> reporter: where will she live? where will she work? can she mend a relationship with a brother she doesn't even speak to? >> i was very angry at my mom. i was also angry at my sister. i was just angry at everyone in general that they didn't want to include me. and didn't find it important enough to tell me. >> reporter: at times the between baez and the anthony family were clear. >> to you have -- -- you have to be specific with me give me a date. >> i'm giving you a date. >> no you are badge engineering me, trying to get me upset.
-- badgering me, trying to get me upset. >> reporter: now that he got their daughter out, will anything change? >> greta: back to orlando where prosecution and defense agree on one thing. make sure to stick around. anana] this...is the network. a living, breathing intelligence that's helpi drive the future of business. in here, inventory can be taught to learn. ♪ machines have a voice. ♪ medical history follows you. it's the at&t network -- a network of possibilities... committed to delivering the most advced mobile broadband experience to help move business... forward. ♪ when someone changes lanes without warning? or when you're distracted? when you're falling aeep at the wheel?
caylee has passed on. far, far too soon. >> for us the case has never been about the defendant particularly. it's always about and always been about seeking justice for caylee and speaking on her behalf. >> casey anthony found not guilty of her daugt years murder, at the end of the day, a 2-year-old girl will never see her third birthday, never go to kindergarten, middle school or college wex know caylee died too soon. after a contentious and hard-fought trial one thing both sides agree on. we may never know the truth of what happened to little caylee anthony. thank you for being with us for this special one our on the casey anthony case. make sure you go to greta wire.com and let us know what you thought about the trial. keep it here on fox news channel, most power full name in news, we'll see you next time.